2006/07/09 Becca Marten 4 Ep.408: Was Jesus God on Earth? Pros and Cons of the Trinity Doctrine Download Audio (MP3) Theme Scripture: 2 Corinthians 4:2 0 4 Share 0 REPORT THIS 5 0 previous Do You have Enlightenment? next Do You have Enlightenment? Related Posts Could God Convict ME of Murder? 2021/03/08 Christian Questions 0 VIDEO: Moments that Matter – Can Good Things Ever Be Bad? 2021/03/01 Teresa Sutherland 0 Can Good Things Ever Be Bad? 2021/03/01 Christian Questions 2 Comment(4) I do not believe in the trinity but believe the Bible teaches the two natures of Jesus–100% man and 100% GOD. I would appreciate your comments on these two verses: Colosians 1:14 (Christ’s blood) and Acts 20:28 (God’s own blood). Also I would appreciate your comments on these verses: In Job 9:8 in proclaims God alone…treads upon the waves of the sea. However, Jesus also walked on water. It is tough to get away from Phil. 2:9, 19–Jesus is given a name above every name (every name means every name). compare with Isaiah 45:23 where is is plain that at the name of the God(a just God and a Savior: there is none bedside me), every knee shall bow. When Thomas says My Lord and My God (John 20:28) the greek lexicon has the definite article before god it reads THE God. I belive that when Christ says that He and His Father are ONE, it is the Divine Nature speaking. when Christ says My Father is greater than me–it is the human nature of Christ that is speaking. It was his human nature that was tortured on the Cross. As a man he prayed that the cup pass. Again, I would appreciate your thoughts on the verses Acts 20:28 and Col. 1:14 Thanks, Joe B. Thanks, Joe Reply This question has several aspects, but we will try to be succinct and focus on the core of it. There are a number of denominational perspectives, but of course we want to align ourselves with direct Scriptures, seeking harmony within the Bible itself, in viewing this frequently misunderstood topic. First, we must acknowledge that there is no Scripture which says that God is composed of more than one person or nature. We know that Jehovah/Yahweh is the one true God and this was clearly taught in the Old Testament to distinguish the True God from false gods. This does not mean that Yahweh is the only elohim or theos. (Hebrew and Greek words translated God.) If one were to analyze individual verses, it would be very easy to draw conclusions that don’t harmonize with others. For example, when Jesus said He and His Father are one, confusion could enter. But in the 17th chapter of John, it all becomes quite clear when Jesus says that He prayed for the Church to be one with them – in purpose, aims, desires, as a husband and wife are one — , especially in verse 21: “That they may be one; as thou, Father, art in me and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou [God] has sent me.” Quite obviously, Jesus did not ask that they would share His personhood in any form. When Jesus prayed during His earthly sojourn, it defies logic to say He prayed to Himself, especially when He asked God, on the cross, why His Father had forsaken Him! In Acts 20:28, “His own blood” refers back to “Shepherd” of the “Church of God, i.e., the shepherd’s blood, not God’s blood. It’s a simple matter of finding the antecedent to the pronoun his. The same is true in Colossians 1:14. His blood is referring back to “the Son of His love”. When it says Job 9:8, that “God alone treads upon the waves,” the context discusses God’s overall dominion. It doesn’t eliminate the possibility of Jesus performing miracles of walking on water, because the dominion remains God’s. We can’t limit Scriptures to literal interpretation only, else we do violence to logic such descriptions as in Isaiah 66:1 which says the earth is God’s footstool. The entire argument of Job is that God is grander than Job was giving Him credit for, and that the Almighty knew of Job’s sufferings and had not neglected him. It’s a word painting of omnipotence. Philippians 2:9 and 29 are grand verses that prove just how lofty was Jesus’ reward for his faithful obedience even unto the Cross. He did receive the divine nature as the “joy set before him” for his sacrifice upon his resurrection. Verse 9 needs to be taken with the same understanding as in 1 Corinthians 15:28 where Paul explains that, while all things were put under Jesus, it was to be understood that God is over Jesus. In regard to John 20:28, Moule, Professor of Divinity at Cambridge University, explains that God is translated from “O THEOS MOU”. The presence of the modifier mou requires the article O and therefore it is not correct to say HO THEOS. So much more could be said on these subjects, but we hope we have addressed your direct concerns. Thank you for your thought-provoking questions, and may God direct your studies of His Word. Reply Hello, Coming to the realization that Logos – Christ was actually God’s first created being was, for me, such a revelation! I was wondering if the topic could be discussed again which would also permit a CQ Rewind to be spawned. Or if a CQ Rewind could be made for the archive: “Was Jesus God on Earth?” Thank You. Reply Thank you very much for writing and sharing your excitement over God’s Truths. We always appreciate when listeners make suggestions for upcoming programs and will review. Generally the Rewind editors have their hands full just trying to keep up with the current programs, (Rewinds are available from all programs back to January 2010) but maybe if there is additional time they can “work backwards.” Lord bless, – Christian Questions Reply LEAVE YOUR COMMENT Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked * Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.